General NOMfrence Sunday morning!!!!

[alas]

And I wish to lodge a complaint about the rapid inflation of negative points....no, never mind. Nelson deserves it. So many things wrong with that talk. I won’t torture anyone with specifics, but that was totally in the Mormon bubble. He has no concept of why people might not believe or care to get their endowments done. And I think his story is totally fiction because those reasons are nobody ever’s reasons. “I just can’t do all it takes to be Mormon cause it s too hard. Boohoohoo, so do my endowments for me after I die.” Fake fake fake.

[Newme]

And I wish to lodge a complaint about the rapid inflation of negative points....no, never mind. Nelson deserves it. So many things wrong with that talk. I won’t torture anyone with specifics, but that was totally in the Mormon bubble. He has no concept of why people might not believe or care to get their endowments done. And I think his story is totally fiction because those reasons are nobody ever’s reasons. “I just can’t do all it takes to be Mormon cause it s too hard. Boohoohoo, so do my endowments for me after I die.” Fake fake fake.

Yeah - that one was so inconsiderate in so many ways.

Usually there is at least some good-feeling idea or story - but nothing. Even when he told about his daughter’s death bed, he focused on her church involvement & ensuring marriages stayed in the church - it was as if that is why he loved her. And I couldn’t help but think of the child-sex-abuse case brought against his other daughter. That is speculation, but the lies and stealing of tithes are factual. Tough to see him as a “prophet.”

[Random]

I didn't mind so much the diss on the Beatles (they can handle it) as on the song about love. It brought to mind a clear memory of Monson saying, with a sneer on his face and in his voice, "all you need is love." His point was that that was a stupid thing to say and wrong on all levels. I don't know who wrote Monson's talk for him that day (or who wrote the talk today), but dissing on love when God is Love, and God's commandments all hang on two laws: love God and love each other as you love yourself - well, really? I mean it's dissing Jesus, really (both Monson and this guy who just talked).

[Newme]

I didn't mind so much the diss on the Beatles (they can handle it) as on the song about love. It brought to mind a clear memory of Monson saying, with a sneer on his face and in his voice, "all you need is love." His point was that that was a stupid thing to say and wrong on all levels. I don't know who wrote Monson's talk for him that day (or who wrote the talk today), but dissing on love when God is Love, and God's commandments all hang on two laws: love God and love each other as you love yourself - well, really? I mean it's dissing Jesus, really (both Monson and this guy who just talked).

Yeah, good point. They kind of dissed the entire foundation of belief in God and Christ.

Like seriously ask them, “What religion are you?”
Or... “What religion is your talk-writer?”

[alas]

I didn't mind so much the diss on the Beatles (they can handle it) as on the song about love. It brought to mind a clear memory of Monson saying, with a sneer on his face and in his voice, "all you need is love." His point was that that was a stupid thing to say and wrong on all levels. I don't know who wrote Monson's talk for him that day (or who wrote the talk today), but dissing on love when God is Love, and God's commandments all hang on two laws: love God and love each other as you love yourself - well, really? I mean it's dissing Jesus, really (both Monson and this guy who just talked).

There is that angle to it also. “You don’t really need to love your neighbor or feed the poor. What you really need is to pay us money and do as we say.” Do they realize how unChristian they are being? Instead of “follow Christ” it is “follow us.”

Another -200 points for dissing love.

[alas]

Question. Is conference getting worse, or am I getting more intolerant of all things “eventhechurchofjesuschristoflatterdaysaints”? And how do you even know?

This conference bothered me more than most. And my TBM but liberal spouse man turned it off at least once per session and this last one session, he turned off, then felt guilty and turned it back on, only to turn it off again, only to turn it back on and finally to leave the room. He will be back in for the documentary about uncle John Groberg’s book/movie, because John is married to his cousin.

[lostinmiddlemormonism]

This is why people think/know that mormons aren't really Christian. We might talk of Christ, but he isn't the same guy that Christians talk about.

[crazyhamster]

I remember when I was (relatively) TBM, that when people would say we "worship a different Christ", I was bewildered what they meant. Now I can understand.

I'm currently watching the live feed on-line of the between session stuff and there is an extended bit on about refugees and how to support them. I still wonder how members of the church who are of a more conservative bent, especially in the current environment, reconcile this message.

I'm considering watching the final session (or part of it), which would be the first time in about 7 years! Talk me out of it. It might turn out very snark-worthy though.

[lostinmiddlemormonism]

I remember when I was (relatively) TBM, that when people would say we "worship a different Christ", I was bewildered what they meant. Now I can understand.

I'm currently watching the live feed on-line of the between session stuff and there is an extended bit on about refugees and how to support them. I still wonder how members of the church who are of a more conservative bent, especially in the current environment, reconcile this message.

I'm considering watching the final session (or part of it), which would be the first time in about 7 years! Talk me out of it. It might turn out very snark-worthy though.

That refugee piece, along with Sister Eubanks talk are about the most Christlike things to come out of this conference.

I'm sure it will be snark worthy.

[deacon blues]

Dear Pres. Nelson, If Adam and Noah received all their temple ordinances while on Earth (and as presumably righteous parents) and taught them to all their children, and so on, Doesn't it seem likely the the religious history of the third century B.C. would be radically different than what Anthropologists are discovering? I mean, every single person for several generations after Noah would at least know something about the endowment, eternal marriage, etc.

And yet Genesis tells us Moses had to be reminded of God's name- Yahweh.

I think President Nelson picked up the "Cleon Skousen History" virus in his youth.

Remember "The First Two Thousand Years?"

[Random]

Like seriously ask them, “What religion are you?”
Or... “What religion is your talk-writer?”

Exactly!

[Random]

There is that angle to it also. “You don’t really need to love your neighbor or feed the poor. What you really need is to pay us money and do as we say.” Do they realize how unChristian they are being? Instead of “follow Christ” it is “follow us.”

Another -200 points for dissing love.

I would laugh at this, except it is chillingly real.

[Random]

That refugee piece, along with Sister Eubanks talk are about the most Christlike things to come out of this conference.

I'm sure it will be snark worthy.

When I decided to watch conference (it was almost at the end), I went back to Eubanks' talk and listened to the whole thing. I couldn't do that with any other talk. I did force myself to listen to most of Nelson, but finally decided he wasn't going to say anything interesting. Eubanks' talk was good, even compelling. When I wanted to turn it off, I found myself thinking, "Just one more minute."

[StarbucksMom]

Dear Sunday afternoon session,



Love, Coffee drinking Mormons

[AllieOop]

Dear Sunday afternoon session,



Love, Coffee drinking Mormons

This was just posted on another forum by someone who claims to be an insider:

I can't say how I know...But absolutely watch next session, gonna be big

We will see. Hope "big" means good and not horrible



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[FiveFingerMnemonic]

Watching KSL between sessions is pretty tortuous. Those poor Amish LDS converts being paraded for a documentary. Out of one backwards fundamentalist religion right into another.

[Random]

This was just posted on another forum by someone who claims to be an insider:

I can't say how I know...But absolutely watch next session, gonna be big

We will see. Hope "big" means good and not horrible



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I guess I'm jaded. At this point, I don't think anything will be forthcoming.

[jfro18]

This was just posted on another forum by someone who claims to be an insider:

I can't say how I know...But absolutely watch next session, gonna be big

We will see. Hope "big" means good and not horrible



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I could be wrong of course, but all of the people who really do seem to get info are pretty silent so I'm not sure there's going to be anything earth shattering... but we still have the temple announcements to come so we'll see what else might get tossed in.

I really think if they're ever going to relax on WoW or garments it will be done quietly with some changes to the temple questions that are leaked out through a news article.

For the coffee NOMs I hope you get what you want, but I also kind of hope they don't because I don't want members thinking God just now decided coffee was OK just like a daily intake of sugary drinks.