Bill Reel. Cruisin' for a bruisin?

[Hagoth]

In his latest podcast about Jeffry Holland called "Liar, Liar Pants on Fire" Bill thumbs his nose at Oak's "leaders are not to be criticized" comment and pretty much announces that he's taking off the gloves now.

He's still on the membership roles, right? Any bets about how much time he has left?

[jfro18]

I thought the same thing- I listened to that this morning as I was running some errands.

That podcast is as close to a "Come at me, bro" as you're ever going to see, and if the church is at all serious about disciplining him, it's going to happen sooner rather than later.

[Red Ryder]

What's the point?

Excommunication doesn't mean anything anymore. Silly Mormons think they can take someone's eternal life away by gathering 15 men who all wear the same underwear and are dressed in white shirts, red ties, wrapped in cheap JC Penny suites, by sitting them around an oversized table in the back corner of a Mormon Chapel in Utah?

Who cares? If Bill gets excommunicated it will mean absolutely nothing!! While these men deliberate the fate of Bill Reel's eternal salvation and weigh the consequences of his "Neener Neener Neener" moment, the rest of the world will continue to move forward laughing at the silliness of Mormonism and it's engrained bigotry, patriarchy, and homophobia!

While these "local leaders" deliberate the fate of Bill Reel, the top echelon of Mormon Leadership will sit in their Thursday Temple meeting, sipping on prune juice, diet coke, and warm buttermilk and confusedly pontificate why baptisms, temple attendance, and tithing receipts are down. They'll probably get sidetracked by Bednar's perfect hair and Uchtdorf's airplane stories before Wendy comes in to remind Rusty it's time to watch his Perry Mason rerun before his afternoon nap!

Meanwhile, the rest of the members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints will struggle to live the gospel to perfection, hurry to complete their 90 day reading of the Book of Mormon, and shop online for the latest "new and improved" material and cut of the authorized pattern. They'll continue to worship their polygamist founder, while popping happy pill and opiated while singing "put your shoulder to the wheeeeel, puuuush along..., while the rest of the world remains indifferent to the restored gospel of Jesus Christ, Utah edition.

Meh. Excommunication is so 1700's!

[Brent]

[blazerb]

So, who's the bear? On the one hand, Bill Reel could take some verbal abuse from the church. In the long run though, the church is going to have to account to humanity, and maybe God, for its treatment of so many members.

[Rob4Hope]

I wonder if the "perfecting the saints" committee (still haunted by the ghost of Boyd Packer) is debating how to handle the excommunication of Bill. I mean, when you look at it, at one time the utter fear of being excommunicated carried such a stigma, it really frightened people into compliance. Now what is happening is you have these high profile people who are willing to say: "HEY!...EX ME IF YOU WANT, BUT THIS IS STILL WRONG!" And those people are loud enough to be heard.

As the church continues to excommunicate people, what they are doing is popularizing, if ever so slightly, the whole process. Excommunication doesn't even remotely carry the stigma it did back when I was young. Back then, the thought of excommunication was something you went home about experiencing PTSD over AFTER the weeks of sleepless nights destroyed your life. Now the attitude has changed like Red Rider said above.

You think the church is considering this? Keep exing people and eventually, the fear tactic is gunna backfire.

[moksha]

http://mormondiscussions.com/phpBB3/vie ... =1&t=49551

[Just This Guy]

I have not listened to this podcast yet. It sounds like a lot of it is rehash of stuff that Radio Free Mormon has already dissected. Does Bill bring anything new to the table on this, other than putting a target on himself?

[jfro18]

I have not listened to this podcast yet. It sounds like a lot of it is rehash of stuff that Radio Free Mormon has already dissected. Does Bill bring anything new to the table on this, other than putting a target on himself?

A lot of it is rehashed - I think there's a little new stuff but it felt like Bill Reel was putting it together to give a giant finger to the church.

I could be wrong, but this one felt like Bill was just going right after them.

[Hagoth]

Excommunication doesn't even remotely carry the stigma it did back when I was young. Back then, the thought of excommunication was something you went home about experiencing PTSD over AFTER the weeks of sleepless nights destroyed your life. Now the attitude has changed like Red Rider said above.

You think the church is considering this? Keep exing people and eventually, the fear tactic is gunna backfire.

Yeah, it's becoming a sort of badge of courage. After all, it is the ONLY way you have of knowing that the leadership is even hearing your message, and it is confirmation of what arrogant chicken-sh!t cowards they are that instead of sitting down with you and attempting to have a conversation they choose instead to do the most cruel and harmful thing that they can possibly imagine (or at least it would be if they believed their own doctrine).

[Rob4Hope]

Excommunication doesn't even remotely carry the stigma it did back when I was young. Back then, the thought of excommunication was something you went home about experiencing PTSD over AFTER the weeks of sleepless nights destroyed your life. Now the attitude has changed like Red Rider said above.

You think the church is considering this? Keep exing people and eventually, the fear tactic is gunna backfire.

Yeah, it's becoming a sort of badge of courage. After all, it is the ONLY way you have of knowing that the leadership is even hearing your message, and it is confirmation of what arrogant chicken-sh!t cowards they are that instead of sitting down with you and attempting to have a conversation they choose instead to do the most cruel and harmful thing that they can possibly imagine (or at least it would be if they believed their own doctrine).

I remember reading the book Miracle of Forgiveness. That is a horrible book IMHO. You have to live perfect,...or you burn in hell. And there was a whole section on excommunication. I remember reading that SWK likened that to being worse than dead or not born. To be in that place is really a horrible horrible place to be.

Well,...to be quite frank,...I wouldn't want to be one of the GAs who has to LIE in the NAME OF CHRIST to maintain the narrative. I recollect a scripture that goes like this: "Wo be unto the liar, for he shall be thrust down to hell". Ain't that in 2 Nephi somewhere,...and isn't that the MOST CORRECT OF ANY BOOK ON EARTH....especially with a nice new original copy in the hand of Jeffrey Holland who says its absolutely the [accurate] word of God?

These guys are total <<blurb>>. Liars...every last one of them.

[RubinHighlander]

What's the point?

Excommunication doesn't mean anything anymore. Silly Mormons think they can take someone's eternal life away by gathering 15 men who all wear the same underwear and are dressed in white shirts, red ties, wrapped in cheap JC Penny suites, by sitting them around an oversized table in the back corner of a Mormon Chapel in Utah?

Who cares? If Bill gets excommunicated it will mean absolutely nothing!! While these men deliberate the fate of Bill Reel's eternal salvation and weigh the consequences of his "Neener Neener Neener" moment, the rest of the world will continue to move forward laughing at the silliness of Mormonism and it's engrained bigotry, patriarchy, and homophobia!

While these "local leaders" deliberate the fate of Bill Reel, the top echelon of Mormon Leadership will sit in their Thursday Temple meeting, sipping on prune juice, diet coke, and warm buttermilk and confusedly pontificate why baptisms, temple attendance, and tithing receipts are down. They'll probably get sidetracked by Bednar's perfect hair and Uchtdorf's airplane stories before Wendy comes in to remind Rusty it's time to watch his Perry Mason rerun before his afternoon nap!

Meanwhile, the rest of the members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints will struggle to live the gospel to perfection, hurry to complete their 90 day reading of the Book of Mormon, and shop online for the latest "new and improved" material and cut of the authorized pattern. They'll continue to worship their polygamist founder, while popping happy pill and opiated while singing "put your shoulder to the wheeeeel, puuuush along..., while the rest of the world remains indifferent to the restored gospel of Jesus Christ, Utah edition.

Meh. Excommunication is so 1700's!

+1
I've been thinking of getting my name off the books quite a bit lately. A small part of me wants to stir the $hit a bit with the local former tribesmen, go and have a face to face with the council and make it perfectly clear to them they have zero magical power over me as I hand them an official resignation. But then most of me just doesn't give a crap anymore.