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Please, hurl fiery arrows at this severely misinformed 'Doctor'.
every time you masturbate you’ve blown it...
Write a short note to another person just before you masturbate (each and every time) telling
them you are going to masturbate (include the date and time).
In a journal, write a short letter to yourself immediately after you masturbate(each and
every time)
Ok what dung infested rabbit hole I've been down googling this guy.
He's the author of "Developing Heterosexual Desire".
Seven Blocks to Experiencing Heterosexual Attractions:
Block Number 6 to Experiencing Heterosexual Attractions:
Heterosexual Perfectionism
Sixth reason: heterosexual perfectionism. However, there are three forms of heterosexual perfectionism of which I am aware.
Number 1: “I’m a guy with same sex attraction and I really struggle, but I could get aroused by a girl, but only if she is a drop dead gorgeous babe. That’s the only thing that would possibly do it for me. Nothing else could possibly work for me. She has got to be absolutely drop dead gorgeous. Model material only. It’s the only type of woman I could possibly get aroused to. And guess what? There aren’t many around. And so, I don’t consider other options available to me ‘coz I’m after the babe.”
Block Number 6 to Experiencing Heterosexual Attractions:
Heterosexual Perfectionism
I could get aroused by a girl, but only if she is a drop dead gorgeous babe. And guess what? There aren’t many around. And so, I don’t consider other options available to me ‘coz I’m after the babe.”
If you were a GA and really bought into this stuff, it would give you a logical foundational basis for saying:
"See! These guys just want the most physically beautiful women that are beyond their reach. Therefore they actually can CHOOSE not to be homosexual. Therefore if they choose to be perverts, then they deserve to either live as celibates or they deserve to be excluded from among us. Our consciences are clean."
A homosexual person out of the goodness of their heart, may choose to stay in the church and live a celibate life because they feel that is what God would have them do but the above philosophy gives leadership a reason to continue seeing them as having made a "lesser" choice and thus they would be looked down upon as being less than valient.
"There is but one straight course, and that is to seek truth and pursue it steadily."
"Truth will ultimately prevail where there is pains to bring it to light."
Red Ryder wrote: ↑Tue Oct 23, 2018 10:20 am
Technically there's 11 listed.
This guy has a real PhD?
Ok what dung infested rabbit hole I've been down googling this guy.
He's the author of "Developing Heterosexual Desire".
Seven Blocks to Experiencing Heterosexual Attractions:
Block Number 6 to Experiencing Heterosexual Attractions:
Heterosexual Perfectionism
Sixth reason: heterosexual perfectionism. However, there are three forms of heterosexual perfectionism of which I am aware.
Number 1: “I’m a guy with same sex attraction and I really struggle, but I could get aroused by a girl, but only if she is a drop dead gorgeous babe. That’s the only thing that would possibly do it for me. Nothing else could possibly work for me. She has got to be absolutely drop dead gorgeous. Model material only. It’s the only type of woman I could possibly get aroused to. And guess what? There aren’t many around. And so, I don’t consider other options available to me ‘coz I’m after the babe.”
From the TBM perspective that homosexuality is a choice, this article makes a lot of sense. The problem is that if you follow through with his logic on, say, his No. 1 reason, moral anxiety) then most Mormon men (as well as most conservative religious men) should be homosexually inclined. Pretty sure that is not the case.
Even more interesting is that studies have been done that show that men who have been sexually shamed as adolescents have a higher rate of violence towards women. It is thought that they blame women for their sexual response and attack them for it. I do believe there are studies that show that religious men ARE more inclined to be abusive toward women. Ooops.
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Interesting that these are specifically mentioned as lies that Satan tells you. How exactly did this guy verify that these lies are coming directly from Satan? Does he have a direct line?
“The easy confidence with which I know another man's religion is folly teaches me to suspect that my own is also.” -Mark Twain
Jesus: "The Kingdom of God is within you." The Buddha: "Be your own light."
Exactly what is the doctrinal basis for not masturbating? I don't see "masturbation" in the Topical Guide or in the new Gospel Library app. We have a couple of awkward talks by Kimball and Featherstone but nothing else I can see. There is a handout attributed to Mark E. Peterson on how to stop the habit. The "Sin of Onan" is a rather bizarre story in the Old Testament mainly because Onan did not want to have sex with his decease bother's wife. This topic is never brought up in any Sunday School class I have been in since adulthood. At this point I think everyone just assumes you know its wrong and the assumes this teaching will be passed to the next generation without critique.
Granted, I attended an entirely secular university that features Satan as a mascot. So LDS theologians never had a chance to shame me with this kind of material. It was bad enough when the video "wounded on the battlefield" was presented about porn use at BYUI. That brought some hilarious scrutiny on the Honor Code from a number of secular sources. In any case, a systematic doctrinal condemnation does not seem to exist outside of a couple of awkward talks from the 1970s.
In all seriousness, I constantly felt like a failure because every time I did something that was completely natural and an important part of a person's sexuality, I had blown it.
After my mission, I spent seventeen of the prime years of my life constantly upset over this. When I finally snapped out of the conditioning and realized I was a good person (no, a great person) and that my "sins" were infinitesimal compared to the sins of many other Latter-day Saints, I was livid. I realized this for what it was--decades of psycho-sexual/spiritual abuse.
Now, I am my own best friend. I am very kind to myself and I feel like I finally have some perspective on the whole thing. I know I'm not the only person who has suffered like this, and it makes me very angry. I just want to go out there and save everyone else from this abuse. But where do you even begin?
“For me, it is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring.”
Hmmm. Perhaps this is Dr. Robinson’s personal recipe for success as a monkey-spanker(?) All sounds rather contradictory: Obsess over it by praying harder, write notes to Jeff, chart your fantasies, sing hymns and then in #11 - Stop trying so hard. Move on.
I was seriously contemplating suicide over masturbation as a teenager. One voice in my head wanted me dead and another wanted me alive and masturbating. I assumed one of those voices was Satan and the other was the Holy Ghost but damned if I could figure out which was which.
“The easy confidence with which I know another man's religion is folly teaches me to suspect that my own is also.” -Mark Twain
Jesus: "The Kingdom of God is within you." The Buddha: "Be your own light."
Corsair wrote: ↑Tue Oct 23, 2018 4:07 pm
Exactly what is the doctrinal basis for not masturbating? I don't see "masturbation" in the Topical Guide or in the new Gospel Library app. We have a couple of awkward talks by Kimball and Featherstone but nothing else I can see. There is a handout attributed to Mark E. Peterson on how to stop the habit. The "Sin of Onan" is a rather bizarre story in the Old Testament mainly because Onan did not want to have sex with his decease bother's wife. This topic is never brought up in any Sunday School class I have been in since adulthood. At this point I think everyone just assumes you know its wrong and the assumes this teaching will be passed to the next generation without critique.
Granted, I attended an entirely secular university that features Satan as a mascot. So LDS theologians never had a chance to shame me with this kind of material. It was bad enough when the video "wounded on the battlefield" was presented about porn use at BYUI. That brought some hilarious scrutiny on the Honor Code from a number of secular sources. In any case, a systematic doctrinal condemnation does not seem to exist outside of a couple of awkward talks from the 1970s.
As we have discussed before, "doctrine" is hard to pin down, but I think that you could find more about it than those talks. There is the little factory pamphlet, the version of the for strength of youth pamphlet I had as a youth talked about it. If you classify the reference to "sexual activity outside of marriage" as a possible reference to masturbation (which is not at all a stretch) I think there are plenty of talks to pull from.
