Temple endowment-ancient origins

[moksha]

At least the Mason's costumes are a bit unique, and more ornate.

That was from a time when the robes were hand tailored. For a Church numbering in the millions, a simpler knockoff of these Masonic robes was needed so the costumes could be mass produced. Can't allow too much variation where individualism is not desired. The worker bees in the hive need to be standard issue, and only the drones, High Priest and King bees will be exempted.

[Hagoth]

Mormon baker hats have that wonderful little tie down that attaches to your shoulder. That had to have been revealed. No ordinary man would have ever thought of that detail. Only a prophet....

Once I was in one of those special "go ahead and ask me anything - I dare you," Q and A sessions with a temple president. One of my questions was, "What's the symbolic significance of the string that attaches the hat to the robe?" The answer was, "to keep the robe from slipping off your shoulder." And here we have an excellent example of the often pointless rigidity in Mor(aw, I'm gonna go ahead and say it)mon thinking. Somebody came up with a lame design for these robes over a hundred years ago, but now they're too sacred to improve so they don't fall off your shoulder. God would be angry if we improved on his design.

[Corsair]

As others have pointed out, Hugh Nibley loved to find parallels to the modern temple endowment in ancient references. The fact that no one outside of the LDS church ran with Nibley's ideas is certainly telling. Are there further apologists within the LDS church that continue to push this narrative? Does BYU have an Egyptology program that examines this evidence in comprehensive, peer-reviewed detail?

[wtfluff]

One of my funniest/favorite-est "ancient origins" stories about the endowment comes from my mother: At some point soon after I'd attended the pretend-throat-slitting ritual, she mentioned the urban legend that the "current ceremony" is just like what went on in Solomon's temple. She pulled out a Sunday-School manual and showed me a drawing of Solomon's temple that had the "priests" depicted in baker's hats and robes "just like" the current temple garb.

I think it was many years later that I realized that a modern-day drawing/painting of dudes in baker's hats in Solomon's temple has absolutely nothing to do historical accuracy.

[græy]

Furthermore, I think they have now found that some of Nibley's documentation and footnotes were either incorrect or missing altogether. The guy was definitely cheating on his research.

Which makes one wonder about his daughter's allegations of sexual abuse....

That escalated quickly.

[SincereInquirer]

One of my funniest/favorite-est "ancient origins" stories about the endowment comes from my mother: At some point soon after I'd attended the pretend-throat-slitting ritual, she mentioned the urban legend that the "current ceremony" is just like what went on in Solomon's temple. She pulled out a Sunday-School manual and showed me a drawing of Solomon's temple that had the "priests" depicted in baker's hats and robes "just like" the current temple garb.

I think it was many years later that I realized that a modern-day drawing/painting of dudes in baker's hats in Solomon's temple has absolutely nothing to do historical accuracy.

Of course they weren't historically accurate. Just like all of the other art ever put into Sunday School manuals or hung in Mormon churches and Mormon temples, the drawings were only based on the artists own thoughts and impressions. The Mormon church and it's prophets, seers, and revelators have never had any input into the production of any of that sort of art.

[wtfluff]

One of my funniest/favorite-est "ancient origins" stories about the endowment comes from my mother: At some point soon after I'd attended the pretend-throat-slitting ritual, she mentioned the urban legend that the "current ceremony" is just like what went on in Solomon's temple. She pulled out a Sunday-School manual and showed me a drawing of Solomon's temple that had the "priests" depicted in baker's hats and robes "just like" the current temple garb.

I think it was many years later that I realized that a modern-day drawing/painting of dudes in baker's hats in Solomon's temple has absolutely nothing to do historical accuracy.

Of course they weren't historically accurate. Just like all of the other art ever put into Sunday School manuals or hung in Mormon churches and Mormon temples, the drawings were only based on the artists own thoughts and impressions. The Mormon church and it's prophets, seers, and revelators have never had any input into the production of any of that sort of art.

Yes of course: The Under-Bus-ing of the artist.

I have to laugh at myself for buying into the picture that my mother originally showed me. Mormon programming: It's a helluva drug.

[Palerider]

Mormon baker hats have that wonderful little tie down that attaches to your shoulder. That had to have been revealed. No ordinary man would have ever thought of that detail. Only a prophet....

Once I was in one of those special "go ahead and ask me anything - I dare you," Q and A sessions with a temple president. One of my questions was, "What's the symbolic significance of the string that attaches the hat to the robe?" The answer was, "to keep the robe from slipping off your shoulder." And here we have an excellent example of the often pointless rigidity in Mor(aw, I'm gonna go ahead and say it)mon thinking. Somebody came up with a lame design for these robes over a hundred years ago, but now they're too sacred to improve so they don't fall off your shoulder. God would be angry if we improved on his design.

I guess Velcro would be too noisy....

[FiveFingerMnemonic]

Greg Kearney gave a great presentation on FAIR called "The message and the messenger" outlining the masonic parallels since Greg is a member and a mason. During the Q&A session afterwards someone asked about the connection to Solomons temple and he responded that we know what happened in that temple, it was ritual animal sacrifice following the law of moses and that masonry started in the middle ages.

https://www.fairmormon.org/conference/a ... reemasonry