Books from the lost 10 tribes

[Korihor]

I got cornered into a conversation with my FIL on the phone. He is disjangled that I left belief and was doing his best to set me back on the right track with standard TBM rhetoric.

Part of our conversation he said "you know we still haven't received the books from the missing 10 tribes. If we receive one or more of those books will you believe?"

I responded "if we receive one of those books and it shows you the LDS church is wrong, will you believe it?"

Apparently one of the reasons I should stay is because we're anxiously awaiting another fantasy book. No promised delivery date or info about its contents. But we know it's coming. Sadly, this made perfect sense to me before. Sigh.

[Corsair]

We just a century anniversary of one of the biggest prophecies of the Lost Ten Tribes! The Old Testament manual has a very helpful synopsis of this prophecy.

In April conference of 1916, Elder James E. Talmage, a member of the Quorum of the Twelve, spoke of the lost tribes and their records:

“There is a tendency among men to explain away what they don’t wish to understand in literal simplicity, and we, as Latter-day Saints are not entirely free from the taint of that tendency. … Some people say that prediction is to be explained in this way: A gathering is in progress, and has been in progress from the early days of this Church; and thus the ‘Lost Tribes’ are now being gathered; but that we are not to look for the return of any body of people now unknown as to their whereabouts. True, the gathering is in progress, this is a gathering dispensation; but the prophecy stands that the tribes shall be brought forth from their hiding place … [and their] scriptures shall become one with the scriptures of the Jews, the holy Bible, and with the scriptures of the Nephites, the Book of Mormon, and with the scriptures of the Latter-day Saints as embodied in the volumes of modern revelation.”

(In Conference Report, Apr. 1916, p. 130.)

In October 1916 conference Elder James E. Talmage spoke again of the lost tribes and made this remarkable prediction:

“The ten tribes shall come; they are not lost unto the Lord; they shall be brought forth as hath been predicted; and I say unto you there are those now living—aye, some here present—who shall live to read the records of the Lost Tribes of Israel, which shall be made one with the record of the Jews, or the Holy Bible, and the record of the Nephites, or the Book of Mormon, even as the Lord hath predicted”

(in Conference Report, Oct. 1916, p. 76; emphasis added).

https://www.lds.org/manual/old-testamen ... richment-d

I have it on good authority that the last two living attendees of that conference were a very young Gordon B. Hinckley (prophet) and Eldred G. Smith (Patriarch Emeritus). So since they are gone it seems that Elder Talmage may have been "speaking as a man" as prophets, seers, and revelators seem to do with annoying frequency.

[Enoch Witty]

Does the Book of Jeraneck count? Only nine tribes to go!

http://www.latterdaymormon.co.uk/book-of-jeraneck

[Red Ryder]

Does the Book of Jeraneck count? Only nine tribes to go!

http://www.latterdaymormon.co.uk/book-of-jeraneck

I hadn't heard of this one before. I find it funny they think the church went off the rails due to immorality but still hang their hat on Joseph Smith.

...almost ensnared Joseph...

However the church grew too fast and with this growth some members of the church made excuses for immorality under the claim that it’s was a part of the restored light of the gospel. The accompanying adultery or Polygamy overtook many church leaders and almost ensnared Joseph, but before the Prophet and Seer could correct the perversion and the practise of Polygamy amongst many in the church he was murdered by his friends while jailed under frivolous charges. After the murder of the Prophet Joseph Smith the church fragmented into over twenty factions, because they would not listen to the Lord and his council concerning the succession of the office of prophet many stood and puffed themselves up and sought to take the kingdom for themselves and their followers, such people as Brigham Young, Sidney Rigdon, James Strang and others.

[MoPag]

I hope the Harry Potter books are really scripture from one of the lost tribes.

Church would be way less sh*ty if we studied those.

[Enoch Witty]

I hope the Harry Potter books are really scripture from one of the lost tribes.

Church would be way less sh*ty if we studied those.

Relevant: https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/har ... 13994?mt=2

[Linked]

Part of our conversation he said "you know we still haven't received the books from the missing 10 tribes. If we receive one or more of those books will you believe?"

I really don't like this question. I mean, sure I would believe if there were some proof and if prophecies were actually fulfilled. But do we have to "receive" them the same way we received the Book of Mormon, Doctrine and Covenants, and Pearl of Great Price? It seems like a translated version of the question - from TBM to NOM - would be "If someone makes up a book and claims it is from the missing 10 tribes and the church endorses that it is true will you believe?" And my answer to that is a resounding no.

If the question were, "If an ancient text is found, and verified by a majority of academia who are from multiple different religions, and confirms any of the churches claims, will you revisit your conclusions?" I could say yes.

From my perspective today the question just seems crazy.

Sorry to pick on your FIL Kori...

[wtfluff]

Does Christopher Nemelka's "translation" of The Sealed Portion count as one of the 10 lost tribe books?

[LSOF]

Does Christopher Nemelka's "translation" of The Sealed Portion count as one of the 10 lost tribe books?

Afraid not; it was part of the Book of Mormon in Mormon mythology, so it doesn't count.

[wtfluff]

Does Christopher Nemelka's "translation" of The Sealed Portion count as one of the 10 lost tribe books?

Afraid not; it was part of the Book of Mormon in Mormon mythology, so it doesn't count.

Hmm... I thought the Nephites/Lamanites were one of the 10 lost tribes, and the BoM was their "book".

[LSOF]

Hmm... I thought the Nephites/Lamanites were one of the 10 lost tribes, and the BoM was their "book".

Could be; I haven't a clue, and there are more productive and useful things to devote my brain power to.

[Hagoth]

Part of our conversation he said "you know we still haven't received the books from the missing 10 tribes. If we receive one or more of those books will you believe?"

"Are you certain enough about it to entertain a little wager? Let's say you give me $10,000 for every year it doesn't happen and when it does I'll pay you back double."

-end snark-

[moksha]

Pretty sure those Lost 10 Tribe books exist and were compiled into a leather bound edition by Hollow Earth Publishers in January 1949. Your Father-in-Law would be especially interested in volume 4 It's All True, Honest.

Alternately, the remnants of the Lost 10 Tribes became the people of the Middle East. That being the case, their most famous book would be The Book of One Thousand and One Nights. Of course that is my infidel talking, otherwise, the majority of those people would insist that it was the Quran. Good thing NOM 2.0 does not publish pictures of that prophet or ... we might be soon meeting with Charlie Hebdo.

[Hagoth]

...insist that it was the Quran

I love this, Moksha. Educated apologist nowadays are generally willing to reinterpret the 10 tribes as having been absorbed into the background of humanity, in which the Quran is the most likely candidate for their scripture.

[Hagoth]

Is anybody familiar with this diagram of the cosmos supposedly redrawn by Philo Dibble from a sketch by Joseph Smith? I have also heard stories about how people in Joseph/Brigham's day believed here was a door-knob-shaped protuberance at the north pole where the tribes were hanging out, or a secret continent at the pole surrounded by a wall of mountains. And, of course, there's that planet near Polaris.

[Corsair]

This would generously be called "speculation" based on the "science of his day". It's unfounded and lacks any use today in any theological or scientific setting. It makes me less sympathetic to Joseph Smith because it's more evidence that he had a talent for making up baloney. The LDS church today simply hung onto the baloney that survived from that time.

[Hagoth]

It makes me less sympathetic to Joseph Smith because it's more evidence that he had a talent for making up baloney. The LDS church today simply hung onto the baloney that survived from that time.

Today it's baloney flavored jello with chunks of baloney floating in it. Every time a GA tries to engage in theology you can see it oozing out between the fingers of his clenched fist, and its falling off the wall faster than the apologists can nail it up.

[Jinx]

Is anybody familiar with this diagram of the cosmos supposedly redrawn by Philo Dibble from a sketch by Joseph Smith? I have also heard stories about how people in Joseph/Brigham's day believed here was a door-knob-shaped protuberance at the north pole where the tribes were hanging out, or a secret continent at the pole surrounded by a wall of mountains. And, of course, there's that planet near Polaris.

Hey, I read that book! I think it was called Lost Horizon.

Today it's baloney flavored jello with chunks of baloney floating in it. Every time a GA tries to engage in theology you can see it oozing out between the fingers of his clenched fist, and its falling off the wall faster than the apologists can nail it up.

And that's head cheese. Had that for lunch once.