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coincidence or scripted?

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_cont ... wbHIT5pjuY

Wow, I'm in mild shock. That is either the mother of all coincidences or really good behind the scenes work. I'm not sure.

Here is KSL's coverage of the event - jump to 18:40
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=keqbSQtqyOk&t=1155s

Which makes this all the more strange when RMN says his little schpeal about knowing all about her then saying "now what was your question". It's almost like he recited a planned response to PFS then forget what her question was because he was focused on repeating the planned statement.

EDIT: Then I stumbled on this video by Thinker of Thoughts.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZUlrmNrMOAI
Which only reinforces just how much DHO is pulling the strings if there is anything of substance to that 'Ahem' in the video.

I don't think this press conference was fully scripted nor fully unscripted.
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That's really weird. I'm not sure how to interpret what is going on without sounding like a conspiracy theorist or completely missing the point.
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wow, that was really odd. I am not sure what to make of it.
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Best guess: President Nelson no longer has the mental faculties to speak extemporaneously, so President Oaks helped him write and memorize his answers. The news conference was a show of strength.
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Corsair wrote: Tue Jan 23, 2018 3:04 pm That's really weird. I'm not sure how to interpret what is going on without sounding like a conspiracy theorist or completely missing the point.
I'm not starting Conspiracy Theories, I don't think the Q15 and the COB are that bright. They're reactive, not proactive.
This is just bizarre, especially when coupled with RMN forgetting Peggy's question then the other video of Oaks "coughing" and correcting RMN.

Glory Hallelujah, I hope RMN's reign is short because it looks like DHO is already whipping the horse. Better start the popcorn now.
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I don't see anything out of place TBH. I think it's just a case of pareidolia.
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Mad Jax wrote: Tue Jan 23, 2018 6:11 pm pareidolia.
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Mad Jax wrote: Tue Jan 23, 2018 6:11 pm I don't see anything out of place TBH. I think it's just a case of pareidolia.
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Assuming there was no electronic puppeteering going on, will the Oaks receiver picking up the Nelson transmission due to a signal crossover in the control booth, the simplest explanation is that Oaks was reading from the same teleprompter.
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moksha wrote:Assuming there was no electronic puppeteering going on, will the Oaks receiver picking up the Nelson transmission due to a signal crossover in the control booth, the simplest explanation is that Oaks was reading from the same teleprompter.
Reportedly there were not any teleprompters in the room, which does seem to be the case from watching the video. And this was during the Q&A section of the press conference so they shouldn't have been just reading off scripted answers.

But if they knew in advance who the questioners were but not the questions they could've scripted and memorized the little intro bits about the questioner and then handled the question itself extemporaneously. That scenario does seem to match the behavior pretty well.

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They probably weren't reading off a teleprompter during the Q&A session but it felt like they were reading off one for their opening remarks immediately prior to opening the session up to questions from the press.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=keqbSQtqyOk&t=3m10s

That awkward silence between the person at the podium turning the time over to Nelson and when Nelson begins to speak. Perhaps waiting for a teleprompter to start. There was also an audible beep, maybe they were waiting for that beep to indicate that the camera was ready.

Little halts in speech that usually happen when you're reading as opposed to speaking off the cuff. Or maybe those pauses are from being 93.
Compare this to the Q&A sessions where the speech feels more fluid.

I think they read off a teleprompter for their opening remarks but by the time the Q&A session started they were speaking without a written statement but perhaps with well rehearsed answers.

There was a teleprompter though. Who used it (the guy directing the meeting, the FP, both) and when (during the opening statements only) is up for debate, but there's an image of the teleprompter.

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Reuben wrote: Tue Jan 23, 2018 7:49 pm
Mad Jax wrote: Tue Jan 23, 2018 6:11 pm I don't see anything out of place TBH. I think it's just a case of pareidolia.
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pareidolia
/ˌpæraɪˈdəʊlɪə/
noun - the imagined perception of a pattern or meaning where it does not actually exist, as in considering the moon to have human features
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(More discussion on the use of the teleprompter on the other thread on this same topic: Creepy? Or....Not Creepy?
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Jeffret wrote: Wed Jan 24, 2018 9:46 am (More discussion on the use of the teleprompter on the other thread on this same topic: Creepy? Or....Not Creepy?
I just noticed that. Whoopsie for a double post.
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You can see the teleprompter on the left side of the photo at the press conference. It sort of looks like Paul Rolly sitting in front of it.
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I'm guessing teleprompters at press conferences are not typical. I mean, Trump, Obama, Bush etc. never used them, right?
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Hagoth wrote: Wed Jan 24, 2018 9:16 am
Reuben wrote: Tue Jan 23, 2018 7:49 pm
Mad Jax wrote: Tue Jan 23, 2018 6:11 pm I don't see anything out of place TBH. I think it's just a case of pareidolia.
I'll see your pareidolia and raise you a subvocalization.
I'll see your subvocalization and raise you a ventriloquism.
Hmmm. At first I was joking but now I'm beginning to wonder.
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Hagoth wrote: Wed Jan 24, 2018 3:45 pm Hmmm. At first I was joking but now I'm beginning to wonder.
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deacon blues wrote: Wed Jan 24, 2018 12:15 pm I'm guessing teleprompters at press conferences are not typical. I mean, Trump, Obama, Bush etc. never used them, right?
It does seem a bit unusual at a question and answer session. BTW, Trump frequently flubs up reading words on a teleprompter. I think that is why he frequently wings it and ends up repeating phrases and tangentially jumping from topic to topic.

I would not mind it if Trump occasionally broke into song as an alternative to speaking.

SuperTrumpisextrabraggadocious,
Even the sound of it is something quite atrocious
If you say it loud enough
You'll always sound precocious
SuperTrumpisextrabraggadocious!

Because I was afraid to speak
When I was just a lad
Me father tweaked me silver spoon
And told me I was sad
But then one day I learned a word
That saved me silver spoon
The biggest word you ever heard
And this is how it goes

Oh, SuperTrumpisextrabraggadocious!
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