LDS temples in millennium

[Palerider]

According to a recent address by Ballard to temple workers, LDS temples will be used throughout the Millennium. I know for many of you this is an academic question but reading 2 Peter 3:10 tells me Mr. Ballard is in error:
"But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up."

It's my opinion that nothing wrought by the hand of man will survive this event.

Some here have already done the stats on the amount of work involved in baptizing all who have lived upon the earth. 1000 years isn't going to get it done..

I don't think LDS leadership have a clear view of the Millennial period.

[LaMachina]

I don't think LDS leadership have a clear view of the Millennial period.

Does anyone? Seems like there is quite a bit of wiggle room for interpretation. Especially for a religion not entirely beholden to the bible.

It's my opinion that nothing wrought by the hand of man will survive this event.

Personally I find the verse you cite hard to take literally but let's say you're correct and nothing wrought by man survives this event. So...not only no temples but every human abode destroyed, every hospital, every morsel of food, every first aid kit, every scrap of clothing. We will all be buck naked sitting on the ash heap of earth. How would it be possible for any living thing to survive such a catastrophe and be around for Jesus to declare his judgement (besides those raised up to his bosom, of course)? What the hell are we going to beat into plowshares if all our swords are incinerated into dust?? Or maybe THAT is figurative?

Some here have already done the stats on the amount of work involved in baptizing all who have lived upon the earth. 1000 years isn't going to get it done..

My quick, dirty stats:
8,760,000 hours in 1000 years
107,602,707,791 people (approx) that have ever lived on earth
That would require 12,283 baptisms per hour
Currently 156 temples which would be 79 baptisms per temple per hour.

Baptisms seems doable. The endowment is a whole other story! Let me know if my numbers are garbage, I did this in 5 minutes.

[MoPag]

Currently 156 temples which would be 79 baptisms per temple per hour.

Wow! That is like less than a minute for each baptism (and that is also the sad extent of my math skills.)

They are going to have the give the temple recorders a raise.

[Palerider]

Personally I find the verse you cite hard to take literally but let's say you're correct and nothing wrought by man survives this event. So...not only no temples but every human abode destroyed, every hospital, every morsel of food, every first aid kit, every scrap of clothing. We will all be buck naked sitting on the ash heap of earth. How would it be possible for any living thing to survive such a catastrophe and be around for Jesus to declare his judgement (besides those raised up to his bosom, of course)? What the hell are we going to beat into plowshares if all our swords are incinerated into dust?? Or maybe THAT is figurative?

Well, I think you have it there. There will be no one left after the "burn phase" if one isn't caught up to meet the Lord. But I think (hope) that determination of who stays and who goes will be more lenient than many think.

I think Isaiah gives some insight to the post destruction nature of earth.

Isaiah 65

“For behold, I create new heavens and a new earth; And the former shall not be remembered or come to mind. (Isaiah 65:17) They shall build houses and inhabit [them;] They shall plant vineyards and eat their fruit. (Isa 65:21) They shall not labor in vain, Nor bring forth children for trouble; For they [shall be] the descendants of the blessed of the LORD, And their offspring with them. (Isa 65:23)) The wolf and the lamb shall feed together, The lion shall eat straw like the ox, And dust [shall be] the serpent’s food. They shall not hurt nor destroy in all My holy mountain, Says the Lord."

[Palerider]

My quick, dirty stats:
8,760,000 hours in 1000 years
107,602,707,791 people (approx) that have ever lived on earth
That would require 12,283 baptisms per hour
Currently 156 temples which would be 79 baptisms per temple per hour.

Baptisms seems doable. The endowment is a whole other story! Let me know if my numbers are garbage, I did this in 5 minutes.

And this is probably a 24 hour work day, right?

[moksha]

I don't think LDS leadership have a clear view of the Millennial period.

Does anyone? Seems like there is quite a bit of wiggle room for interpretation. Especially for a religion not entirely beholden to the bible.

I doubt The Plan embraces a fiery end to the earth. After all, there is Lamoni City in Florida to finish, profits to be recouped from the City Creek Mall, and all those Wall Street investment dividends to reap.

Some here have already done the stats on the amount of work involved in baptizing all who have lived upon the earth. 1000 years isn't going to get it done..

But do we know that years will include 24 hour days? Maybe the millennium for the Lord will consist of 1000 hour work shifts in the Temple each day. Extra time will be needed from the Neanderthal line to Australopithecus. The lower primates will probably have their own heavens.

[LaMachina]

There will be no one left after the "burn phase" if one isn't caught up to meet the Lord. But I think (hope) that determination of who stays and who goes will be more lenient than many think.

I can get on board with that sentiment! If the Lord is gonna incinerate a bunch of us and destroy everything we've worked on, noble or not, than I too hope he's pretty lenient on who he beams up.
God also apparently says "Hey my children, you know all those works of men I just destroyed? You know, those homes and vineyards? Yeah, you can go ahead and rebuild all that." Sheesh....thanks God

And this is probably a 24 hour work day, right?

Of course these temples will be open 24/7. If your local convenience store can handle it I'm sure the temples won't have an issue.
Now, if you doubt the local temple going public will have the stamina or ability to see it through we have discussed a scenario where there is no sickness, no disease. Are people really gonna need that 8 hours every night? Seems doubtful.

[Give It Time]

They are in the process of building more temples and I'm sure a temple doesn't need to have just one font.

I, too, think the trickier part is the endowment.

When we do baptisms, sealings and initiatories for the dead, I don't like the impersonal conveyor belt aspect of it. These are supposed to be sacred ordinances. A soul should be treated as more than a number.

[Yobispo]

Not an original idea of mine, but the Prophet strolls down to the temple and does a single baptism for all of the dead (maybe he does one for the guys, his 3rd wife does one for all the ladies). Then they do a leisurely endowment for the same generic couple. It's all symbolic anyway, so why not?

But if it has to be literal 1-for-1 for the dead, and it is the millennium, maybe you don't need to construct temples because the whole earth is kinda like a temple, so backyard pools and lakes will work just fine. Spread the work out. Plus, each baptizee now starts baptizing, so the efficiency increases exponentially. The whole thing wraps up in a year and then it's 999 years of vacation.

Just my 2 cents.

[Just This Guy]

Not an original idea of mine, but the Prophet strolls down to the temple and does a single baptism for all of the dead (maybe he does one for the guys, his 3rd wife does one for all the ladies). Then they do a leisurely endowment for the same generic couple. It's all symbolic anyway, so why not?

But if it has to be literal 1-for-1 for the dead, and it is the millennium, maybe you don't need to construct temples because the whole earth is kinda like a temple, so backyard pools and lakes will work just fine. Spread the work out. Plus, each baptizee now starts baptizing, so the efficiency increases exponentially. The whole thing wraps up in a year and then it's 999 years of vacation.

Just my 2 cents.

The problem there is that do you have nay idea how long it would take to say the prayer? At 108 total humans in earth's history, assuming a 50/50 split of genders, and each name being said in 2 seconds, it would take 3,422.407 YEARS to read off all the names per gender.

"Having been commissioned of Jesus Christ, I baptize you for and in behalf of Aaron, Abagtha, Abda, Abdeel, Abdi, Abdiel, Abdon, Abednego, Abel,..."

[Yobispo]

Not an original idea of mine, but the Prophet strolls down to the temple and does a single baptism for all of the dead (maybe he does one for the guys, his 3rd wife does one for all the ladies). Then they do a leisurely endowment for the same generic couple. It's all symbolic anyway, so why not?

But if it has to be literal 1-for-1 for the dead, and it is the millennium, maybe you don't need to construct temples because the whole earth is kinda like a temple, so backyard pools and lakes will work just fine. Spread the work out. Plus, each baptizee now starts baptizing, so the efficiency increases exponentially. The whole thing wraps up in a year and then it's 999 years of vacation.

Just my 2 cents.

The problem there is that do you have nay idea how long it would take to say the prayer? At 108 total humans in earth's history, assuming a 50/50 split of genders, and each name being said in 2 seconds, it would take 3,422.407 YEARS to read off all the names per gender.

"Having been commissioned of Jesus Christ, I baptize you for and in behalf of Aaron, Abagtha, Abda, Abdeel, Abdi, Abdiel, Abdon, Abednego, Abel,..."

So you just leave off the names. "I baptize you for and in behalf off the dead."