Are there really fewer women?

[Jinx]

Just wondering about the percentage here. I always felt like the men vastly outnumbered the women on the old forum too, but maybe I'm wrong. I use the "identify" question because I am a parent of three millennials and they have made me understand that there are different ways of looking at gender.

[MoPag]

I am female. I do not have a priesthood antenna.

[Give It Time]

Female, here.

[Dravin]

I am female. I do not have a priesthood antenna.

I think you've just introduced me to my new favorite euphemism.

[Emower]

I am female. I do not have a priesthood antenna.

OH snap.

[FreeFallin]

This particular topic, unfortunately, hasn't had many views, so I think that we are not getting an accurate sampling of men vs. women on this board. I've been really surprised by how many women are on board, especially in the earlier stages of this survey.

I took a creative writing class this spring and after the first story was due, we were all invited, if we wanted, to share a part of our story. It was extremely interesting - and vexing - to see that out of the 6 males in attendance that particular day, 5 stood up and read. Only 2 of the 17 or 18 females in attendance that day stood up to read. I was not one of them. On the next reading I was the only female who stood up to read among several very eager males. I spoke to the instructor later and he said that this was very common in all of his classes.

Perhaps our board has many women but we are simply reluctant to speak up in front of others. I know that is true for me. I stop in regularly to read, but often when I speak up about something I feel very embarassed about what I said, especially looking back, and then I am less and less willing to speak up.

[SeeNoEvil]

Female here.

Perhaps our board has many women but we are simply reluctant to speak up in front of others. I know that is true for me. I stop in regularly to read, but often when I speak up about something I feel very embarrassed about what I said, especially looking back, and then I am less and less willing to speak up.

I hope that here on NOM we can change that and make it a more welcoming place for everyone. I remember when I first posted years ago on NOM it was my first post ever anywhere. It was a scary experience and I feared being laughed at and told to keep quiet as that was what I was used to. I quickly learned that it was not so there and that is the type of atmosphere I hope this new NOM will evolve into. Our words do matter and they always mean something to someone but the only way we no that is to receive some sort of recognition for our efforts. I realize it would be a full time job to comment on every posts which is why many slip through the cracks but I think we just need to be more mindful of comments and make the effort to recognize them.

[Thoughtful]

I am female. I do not have a priesthood antenna.

I don't have the P thing either.

[MalcolmVillager]

I am female. I do not have a priesthood antenna.

I don't have the P thing either.

I have yet to come upon any ordinance that actually required my "manhood", antenna, or even testosterone (quite the opposite). WTF is going on with that requirement. I have no other reason to suspect the requirement except for patriarchy and the male dominated world it was spawn within.

My DW gets mad when I tell her that I have never used my p€#!$ during any PH ordinance.

[alas]

I am female. I do not have a priesthood antenna.

I don't have the P thing either.

I have yet to come upon any ordinance that actually required my "manhood", antenna, or even testosterone (quite the opposite). WTF is going on with that requirement. I have no other reason to suspect the requirement except for patriarchy and the male dominated world it was spawn within.

My DW gets mad when I tell her that I have never used my p€#!$ during any PH ordinance.

Well, there are those like Wendy Watson Nielsen who say that marital intimacy is an ordinance.

[MoPag]

This particular topic, unfortunately, hasn't had many views, so I think that we are not getting an accurate sampling of men vs. women on this board. I've been really surprised by how many women are on board, especially in the earlier stages of this survey.

Let's change the subject title to "Boobies." That will get some more traffic.

[Random]

So far, 18 males and 20 females.

Bumping for visibility, in case anyone would like to take the poll who hasn't.

[moksha]

I am female. I do not have a priesthood antenna.

OH snap.

My daughter took an interest in one of the threads about women. She said there seemed to be more women than men, but I think she was basing a lot of that on posts that did not chastise feminist thought.

[document]

Despite my avatar, I am male.

[RubinHighlander]

Perhaps our board has many women but we are simply reluctant to speak up in front of others. I know that is true for me. I stop in regularly to read, but often when I speak up about something I feel very embarrassed about what I said, especially looking back, and then I am less and less willing to speak up.

This brings up an interesting topic for me. Male, BTW. I'd like to know if women feel more guilt than men. I've had my fair share of guilt over the years, thanks to the many dedicated years as a TBM, but my DW seems to be the queen of guilt. I think it was her mom and the way she was raised. But I wonder too if the mom factor plays in because I've noticed that women who have had kids and nurtured them generally back off risky things they may have done in the past, like rock climbing for example. Does this also increase the guilt factor, coupled with the correlated LDS narrative? This is a thread jack perhaps, so if this is interesting to anyone else, perhaps we started a new thread and survey. Thoughts?

I think the COBs correlated narrative and overall priesthood driven misogynistic treatment of women has a big impact on their hesitation to speak up or feel more guilt for doing so. We've seen how easily those women that do speak up can get burned at the stake (pun intended).

Just a side note: The temple films always bothered me (not sure about the latest one) because they portrayed Eve as naive and kind of dumb when Satan temps her. To me it seemed like Adam as the complacent dumb one who didn't get the plan that they needed to get of the garden if the plan was going to work at all. I always thought Eve knew what she was doing and made the decision to get the mortality party started while Adam just wanted to hang out with the animals, eat free fruit and blindly follow the letter of the law.

[oliver_denom]

I don't have the P thing either.

I have yet to come upon any ordinance that actually required my "manhood", antenna, or even testosterone (quite the opposite). WTF is going on with that requirement. I have no other reason to suspect the requirement except for patriarchy and the male dominated world it was spawn within.

My DW gets mad when I tell her that I have never used my p€#!$ during any PH ordinance.

Well, there are those like Wendy Watson Nielsen who say that marital intimacy is an ordinance.

It's like Mormonism kept all the doctrines of a right proper sex cult but got rid of all the sex. Now we're stuck with all the work and none of the pleasure.

[SeeNoEvil]

RubinHighlander wrote: I've had my fair share of guilt over the years, thanks to the many dedicated years as a TBM, but my DW seems to be the queen of guilt. I think it was her mom and the way she was raised. But I wonder too if the mom factor plays in because I've noticed that women who have had kids and nurtured them generally back off risky things they may have done in the past, like rock climbing for example. Does this also increase the guilt factor, coupled with the correlated LDS narrative? This is a thread jack perhaps, so if this is interesting to anyone else, perhaps we started a new thread and survey. Thoughts?

I think the COBs correlated narrative and overall priesthood driven misogynistic treatment of women has a big impact on their hesitation to speak up or feel more guilt for doing so. We've seen how easily those women that do speak up can get burned at the stake (pun intended).

You bring up a great point. I don't know how you would gauge something like this but I know with me I feel tremendous guilt over many things usually involving the raising of my children. The church teaches the sole purpose of women is to be in the home taking care of the family. From my perspective as a woman, women in the church hold the key position of rearing their children in the gospel. If the kids mess up then the sins of the children fall upon the heads of the parents, more specifically the primary trainer.... the mother. As a TBM when my children fell away from the church I anguished over what I had done. I must have done something wrong!!! I felt a failure as a mother. Seeing my children now as grown adults with the Mormon mother hat off I still feel the pain and guilt of their decisions.

[FreeFallin]

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You bring up a great point. I don't know how you would gauge something like this but I know with me I feel tremendous guilt over many things usually involving the raising of my children. The church teaches the sole purpose of women is to be in the home taking care of the family. From my perspective as a woman, women in the church hold the key position of rearing their children in the gospel. If the kids mess up then the sins of the children fall upon the heads of the parents, more specifically the primary trainer.... the mother. As a TBM when my children fell away from the church I anguished over what I had done. I must have done something wrong!!! I felt a failure as a mother. Seeing my children now as grown adults with the Mormon mother hat off I still feel the pain and guilt of their decisions.

After leaving the church I became aware of the crazy guilt I felt when I left my child even for an hour or two. It dawned on me that men in the church are expected to leave their children and families for 40 + hours a week for work and countless additional hours for church related activities, and it would still be ok for men to leave their families behind for exercise, hunting, hobbies, etc. As a faithful mormon woman I had never noticed the gigantic chasm in expectations between men and women when it comes to home and family responsibilities.

[SeeNoEvil]

[quote
You bring up a great point. I don't know how you would gauge something like this but I know with me I feel tremendous guilt over many things usually involving the raising of my children. The church teaches the sole purpose of women is to be in the home taking care of the family. From my perspective as a woman, women in the church hold the key position of rearing their children in the gospel. If the kids mess up then the sins of the children fall upon the heads of the parents, more specifically the primary trainer.... the mother. As a TBM when my children fell away from the church I anguished over what I had done. I must have done something wrong!!! I felt a failure as a mother. Seeing my children now as grown adults with the Mormon mother hat off I still feel the pain and guilt of their decisions.

After leaving the church I became aware of the crazy guilt I felt when I left my child even for an hour or two. It dawned on me that men in the church are expected to leave their children and families for 40 + hours a week for work and countless additional hours for church related activities, and it would still be ok for men to leave their families behind for exercise, hunting, hobbies, etc. As a faithful mormon woman I had never noticed the gigantic chasm in expectations between men and women when it comes to home and family responsibilities.

It's awful what we do to ourselves all in the name of church. I ended up working outside the home and attributed any and all problems with my family back to that one thing ..... I worked outside the home.

[VisionBlue]

I am a woman, but I don't post much. I can't even stomach going to church anymore, but whenever I post on a forum, I sound almost TBM.

Just like when I was a believer, around my church friends I was too rebellious, but around my non-church friends I was too religious. I dropped the church, but I am still me, it is still hard to find out where I belong.

Before I left, I could not imagine a middle-aged Mormon woman leaving the church. I was so glad to find out that I am not the only one. When I left, I lost my social circle and it was difficult to find a new one. But the social aspect of church caused a lot of anxiety for me. I was a member because I believed, and I worked hard to overcome the social part. I left because it just isn't true. Truth matters to me.