I'm the Sunbeam teacher with my wife; a great calling for the disaffected. There are games, treats, and you can see what they are telling your kids in Sharing Time. Yesterday we were in Sharing Time and the whole primary was buzzing with energy, the kids were playing around a lot and being loud and you could tell it was going to be a rough day. I had a great view of my 6 year old son who was sitting next to another boy and they were playing together. They got out of hand and were getting really distracting, so I went over to my son, put my arm around him, and told him he needed to keep his hands to himself and look at the teacher and not at his friend. I didn't think I was mean about it but you could tell that he felt scolded and was mad; but for the next 30 minutes he was very good. The other kid even settled down. I went over 5 minutes after I told him to keep his hands to himself and told him that he was doing really good and that I was impressed.
But I felt so bad and mad that I had made my son feel scolded so that he could watch a poorly prepared lesson that didn't engage the kids at all, about a subject I totally disagree with. I whispered to my wife about my frustration that sharing time is wasting his time and she asked, "Do you need to leave?" in a frustrated tone. I responded with, "No, HE needs to leave!"
Where does this end?
No, He Needs to Leave!
No, He Needs to Leave!
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I totally understand. A very similar situation happened to me yesterday. I felt like I was torturing my son for no good reason to make him sit there, perfectly still as they reprogrammed his brain.
I think a big problem regarding the youth programs, especially the littlest ones is they're pushing the same program from 1950 (just like everything else in the church) These programs think kids will be happy to sit there in their sunday dresses and listen to teacher just like they do the still small voice. It's garbage, they're depriving kids of being kids and forcing an adult learning pattern on immature minds.
Although every TBM says "I know the church is true and we must teach the children" they are also burned out, tired and bored themselves. I don't know of any primary teacher that is excited to be with the kids each week. I think many TBM's hate it, they're just unwilling to admit it publicly. Just look at this guy http://www.ldsliving.com/Hilarious-Vide ... ng/s/85146
Linked - you're right. Your son needs to leave and be treated properly.
I think a big problem regarding the youth programs, especially the littlest ones is they're pushing the same program from 1950 (just like everything else in the church) These programs think kids will be happy to sit there in their sunday dresses and listen to teacher just like they do the still small voice. It's garbage, they're depriving kids of being kids and forcing an adult learning pattern on immature minds.
Although every TBM says "I know the church is true and we must teach the children" they are also burned out, tired and bored themselves. I don't know of any primary teacher that is excited to be with the kids each week. I think many TBM's hate it, they're just unwilling to admit it publicly. Just look at this guy http://www.ldsliving.com/Hilarious-Vide ... ng/s/85146
Linked - you're right. Your son needs to leave and be treated properly.
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Re: No, He Needs to Leave!
I’m so sorry. I've had primary kids come sit on my lap when it starts and tell me they hate it and ask how much time is left. If they hate it at six years old what is there to look forward to? If you can't engage a child, who can you engage?
I used to sit behind my son’s class in sharing time (about the same age as your kid) and it was painful. His teachers, husband and wife, would make my son sit between them every week because he wasn’t some kind of robot who would sit there and drool like the other kids. My son’s a good kid, but he likes to wiggle, move, answer questions…hell, he still wants to be there and they did everything they could to curb his enthusiasm. He likes his new teachers better – they seem to understand little kids a lot better.
People truly do not get it. When I was in Primary Presidency a few years back the other counselor (who the Primary president called a drill sergeant behind her back) insisted that the kids sit, no talking, moving, hands raised, etc. This drill sergeant, while wanting complete silence in the ranks would talk incessantly to other teachers in the back of the room, walk around, check her phone, everything she didn’t want the kids to do. I later taught her kid and his answer to questions was often, “Follow the rules!” That poor, poor kid was all I could think. I bet that answer wins him a lot of points at home.
Sometimes I think these people have forgotten what it’s like to be a kid, they open that manual and forget they have kids of their own, and they haven’t a clue about normal and healthy child development - movement, play, curiosity, talking, hands on learning...none of that is encouraged in church. It's a three hour lecture; if the kids are lucky, they'll get a photo copy of Joseph Smith and a bag of broken crayons to pass the time. The church is so anti-child it’s crazy. It’s all about making the kids into miniature adults. It was a big item that contributed to the demise of my faithfulness.
About the 1950s expectations: maybe kids were expected to be more in line sixty years ago, I don't know, but having talked to some of my older relatives, primary used to a lot more fun because it was singing and play based during the week - not a Sunday lecture and miniature sacrament meeting. There was junior Sunday school, but most people I've heard from say it was tempered quite a bit by today's standards.
The video was hilarious. Kind of sums up how I feel about church in general.
I used to sit behind my son’s class in sharing time (about the same age as your kid) and it was painful. His teachers, husband and wife, would make my son sit between them every week because he wasn’t some kind of robot who would sit there and drool like the other kids. My son’s a good kid, but he likes to wiggle, move, answer questions…hell, he still wants to be there and they did everything they could to curb his enthusiasm. He likes his new teachers better – they seem to understand little kids a lot better.
People truly do not get it. When I was in Primary Presidency a few years back the other counselor (who the Primary president called a drill sergeant behind her back) insisted that the kids sit, no talking, moving, hands raised, etc. This drill sergeant, while wanting complete silence in the ranks would talk incessantly to other teachers in the back of the room, walk around, check her phone, everything she didn’t want the kids to do. I later taught her kid and his answer to questions was often, “Follow the rules!” That poor, poor kid was all I could think. I bet that answer wins him a lot of points at home.
Sometimes I think these people have forgotten what it’s like to be a kid, they open that manual and forget they have kids of their own, and they haven’t a clue about normal and healthy child development - movement, play, curiosity, talking, hands on learning...none of that is encouraged in church. It's a three hour lecture; if the kids are lucky, they'll get a photo copy of Joseph Smith and a bag of broken crayons to pass the time. The church is so anti-child it’s crazy. It’s all about making the kids into miniature adults. It was a big item that contributed to the demise of my faithfulness.
About the 1950s expectations: maybe kids were expected to be more in line sixty years ago, I don't know, but having talked to some of my older relatives, primary used to a lot more fun because it was singing and play based during the week - not a Sunday lecture and miniature sacrament meeting. There was junior Sunday school, but most people I've heard from say it was tempered quite a bit by today's standards.
The video was hilarious. Kind of sums up how I feel about church in general.
Re: No, He Needs to Leave!
That is hilarious, my sister shared that with us last night at a get together. If I'm getting told about the same videos at TBM family time and on NOM, maybe one day my family will come around?Korihor wrote: ↑Mon Apr 24, 2017 11:03 am Just look at this guy http://www.ldsliving.com/Hilarious-Vide ... ng/s/85146
"I would write about life. Every person would be exactly as important as any other. All facts would also be given equal weightiness. Nothing would be left out. Let others bring order to chaos. I would bring chaos to order" - Kurt Vonnegut