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Meilingkie wrote: ↑Tue Mar 21, 2017 9:43 pm
Stake asks people for their income-tax statement ...in order to get a TR.
Sounds like a clear case of papercraft!
Why in the world do LDS people bend over backwards to go to the temple, pledge everything to the Church (not God mind you...the church), and take oaths and promises that have no history in Christianity at all?----all because we have been told we are going to hell if we don't?
Meilingkie wrote: ↑Tue Mar 21, 2017 9:43 pm
Stake asks people for their income-tax statement ...in order to get a TR.
Sounds like a clear case of papercraft!
Why in the world do LDS people bend over backwards to go to the temple, pledge everything to the Church (not God mind you...the church), and take oaths and promises that have no history in Christianity at all?----all because we have been told we are going to hell if we don't?
What is the power of this organization!...WOW!
The part I bolded is the allure of it, or it was for me at least. We had the true gospel, thought I, unsullied by sectarianism. I didn't much care for the Jesus hymns in the hymnbook like "Jesus, Saviour, Pilot Me"; I preferred the Mormon hymns like "Come, Come, Ye Saints".
"I appreciate your flesh needs to martyr me." Parture
"There is no contradiction between faith and science --- true science." Dr Zaius
Pastor, Lunar Society of Friends; CEO, Faithful Origins and Ontology League
Meilingkie wrote: ↑Tue Mar 21, 2017 9:43 pm
Stake asks people for their income-tax statement ...in order to get a TR.
Sounds like a clear case of papercraft!
Why in the world do LDS people bend over backwards to go to the temple, pledge everything to the Church (not God mind you...the church), and take oaths and promises that have no history in Christianity at all?----all because we have been told we are going to hell if we don't?
What is the power of this organization!...WOW!
The promise of Eternal Life, worlds without end, with your family intact. That's the biggest hook you can imagine......especially for women, but men as well I think. The idea of losing your husband/wife and children to Hell or some lesser kingdom and never seeing them again ( or possibly just on special visits) is a pretty horrific fear motivator. And the ONLY way to achieve that Eternal Life is through the authorized ordinances of the one and only, verifiably, undeniably, absolutely true and faultless Church of Joseph Smith. As Eve said in the Garden, "Is there no other way?.....and Satan replied, "There is no other way....."
"There is but one straight course, and that is to seek truth and pursue it steadily."
"Truth will ultimately prevail where there is pains to bring it to light."
it would seem that over the last 20 years there has been no real growth. Certainly not a second harvest. I remember years ago the second harvest was excitedly spoken about, and then...nothing.
Anyone else here from Europe and remember it being spoken about?
At the halfway home. I'm a full-grown man. But I'm not afraid to cry.
Yes, I happened upon a link on FB to Han's story in the NY Times, as a TBM, I read it - then listened to my first mormon story podcast where the sincerity of Hans ripped the fabric of my world apart.
redjay wrote: ↑Fri Mar 31, 2017 1:09 pm
Yes, I happened upon a link on FB to Han's story in the NY Times, as a TBM, I read it - then listened to my first mormon story podcast where the sincerity of Hans ripped the fabric of my world apart.
In the NYT article about Hans Matteson, it says L tom perry went over there and told them he had a document in his briefcase that would solve all their doubts, but didn't show them anything. Then he returned and reported he had provided them with a document of information. Sounds a bit dishonest. I wonder what was in the briefcase? CES letter maybe?
2bizE wrote: ↑Fri Mar 31, 2017 8:21 pm
In the NYT article about Hans Matteson, it says L tom perry went over there and told them he had a document in his briefcase that would solve all their doubts, but didn't show them anything. Then he returned and reported he had provided them with a document of information.
(major headbang)
There are 2 Gods. One who created us. The other you created. The God you made up is just like you-thrives on flattery-makes you live in fear.
Believe in the God who created us. And the God you created should be abolished.
PK
So that is 24 units closed that I have found. Some countries I checked had no changes.
Stands next to Kolob, called by the Egyptians Oliblish, which is the next grand governing creation near to the celestial or the place where God resides; holding the key of power also, pertaining to other planets; as revealed from God to Abraham
