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It's not the church per se, but a group of LDS scholars and lawyers writing a "friend of the court" brief in support of stopping the ban. It's a strange thing to see many Mormons (not those filing this brief) support Trump and intolerance towards certain religions given their history. What short ...

The news article I saw said they were just not doing Varsity/Venture scouting anymore. Do you think this is a precursor to the church cutting off scouts completely?

LDS Church to no longer participate in Varsity, Venture Scouting

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Hagoth wrote: ↑Wed May 10, 2017 8:49 am When I brought this up on the MD&D board I was pummeled with pictures of reindeer pulling sleighs...

Wait, your kidding right? As in Santa Clause?? That really helps their case!

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Yeah, I saw that the other day and it's just another repetition of the church narrative: if you ever have a conflict with the church, the problem is you, not the church. Insulting to many of us, but not surprising.

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LostGirl wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2017 12:27 am Ok I was feeling quite low but the babies comment made me laugh, so thanks for that.

Yeah, me too! I guess babies born in the eastern hemisphere don't wake up in the middle of the night...

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The beauty of the question is that it identifies the three major philosophical groups. Well spotted. All three can be true depending on your point of view. I believe he was both #1 and #2 - the mob committed murder and that made him a martyr for the church. Many that identify with #2 or #3 are ...

Oh, absolutely! First they create the problem, then they offer you a solution, then they take your money.

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I'm not disparaging you in any way, NOWmormon, but you are yet another in a long line of those who would like answers from the leadership of the church and I daresay you are just not going to get one. Demand all you want, but they have the power and have shown repeatedly their ability to ignore you ...

Sometimes a nice drive through the French countryside might be a pleasant thing, but I'm not sure about 8 hours :| . Anyway, thanks for the report and the comparison to the Versailles is an interesting thought. For those of us in Utah or whose lives are integrated around the church, the church can ...

dispirited wrote: ↑Sun Apr 30, 2017 2:23 pm Ron Esplin held up a book and said these are the council of 50 records. The church is now transparent.

So basically he admitted that they were not transparent before?

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I think I came to this conclusion before I left the LDS church, but basically (in LDS theology) you really can't count on God for anything. You can pray for safety, but if God needs you back in heaven, you're gone. You can ask about what job to take, but if God wants to teach you some kind of lesson ...

Another theme is that there are no more miracles in the LDS Church. I must have missed that one. I guess I need to listen to the podcast. When the talks are quoted, it becomes pretty obvious. The only miracles you should expect today are either coincidences, medical procedures, meeting someone in ...

I agree - good stuff! This one was, IMO, particularly scathing in that the evidence of what they imply with every single story they bring up is in such stark contrast to what they claim is important, i.e., "family first." BULL S**T! Every story clearly says "CHURCH FIRST, and you'll like it!" The ...

I only listened to snippets of this talk from the Mormon Discussion podcast, but what I heard about the "shame" vs "guilt" culture made me want to laugh out loud. When he was describing the evil, worldly "shame" culture, I at first thought he was describing the church. It fit extremely well. Then he ...

Yes, I have. Often the reaction to a spouse's loss of faith is significant retrenchment, as if it's their job to make up for the spouse's weakness. Often that ends up softening because we tend to revert to the mean. What she did before is probably going to be the eventual standard (though there are ...

LOL - non-self-awareness at it's finest!

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My uber-faithful in-laws were in town this past weekend and would firmly disagree with you. They spent some of their time watching videos from Wayne May and Rod Meldrum and are becoming strong proponents of the "Heartland" theory of Book of Mormon geography. Besides, the location of Nahom is a huge ...

"One Mighty and Strong" is yet another savior myth. People have been looking for one (or several) for thousands of years.

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redjay wrote: ↑Tue Apr 18, 2017 12:57 pm My observation is that obedience to the brethren is the real message all else is filler. Obedience trumps all other considerations.

Obedience isn't the first law of heaven, it's the first law of Mormonism.

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Yeah, there's a big problem with false equivalency there. Sure, no one knows where the Garden of Eden was, as mentioned in the bible (i.e., nowhere - it's a myth). But there has yet to be a single identifiable place found that is mentioned in the BofM in the New World. Zero.

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