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This resonated, hard. DW grew up in Utah with seminary council and Trek and EFY and all the rest. Of course the church is tied up in her identity. (And my having grown up in the <retch> mission field maybe should tell me to extend grace to Mormons and Exmos alike who have been acculturated in ways ...

I didn't get in here in time to say "-100 from Renlund for valorizing Brigham, settler colonialism, and completely erasing the existence of indigenous people"

Thanks everyone. This really does help. I may not be able to find someone who "gets it" for DW to talk to but at least I'm starting to see more of the picture.

I'd be willing to listen but I seriously don't she'd put in the earbuds for John Dehlin. But if you do remember which ones, at least I'd like to have a listen.

She just feels so lonely. I'm trying to be such a good husband but every time I goof up a little bit it sure feels like it's devastating to her. She doesn't feel like she has anyone to talk to about being an active wife of an exmormon husband. Any advice? Any exmo guys out there who think their ...

So I don't think my own DW really buys the narrative of all this *gestures at the clusterf**k that is Mormon theology* but she's doubling down too, I think because my departure makes her scared for various other reasons. Solidarity, everyone.

Well this morning I thought I'd surprise DW by coming with everyone to church, but it turns out that made her upset (the reasoning being that if I can come to church to be with them sometimes, does that mean when I don't come I *don't* want to be with them?) It's confusing, folks, and I'm still ...

DW is not a TBM, more like a liberal with a liberal view of the church, but she's really sad that I left the church. Like devastated. She feels really alone. Is there anyone out here who is out of the church and has a good relationship with a spouse who is still in the church? If so please respond ...

No I get it but also I want my well-meaning but still somehow TBM friends to get out. Once you've tasted the fruit of not going to church, don't you want to share it?

I am pretty miffed about Oaks's talk and the "social media fast" that is going to keep a bunch of TBMs from having exposure to counter-narratives, so I did that bravest of all things and made a poast on reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/exmormon/comments/9m665z/beat_the_social_media_fast_1017_social ...

Once upon a time (like 2006 ish?) I was living in The Elms, which is an apartment complex in the South of Campus part of Provo. I was a grad student at BYU. Anyhow, one night, I had a dream. It's pretty light on the details, but it felt like I was being trapped, like my garments were suffocating me ...

The source is here: https://janariess.religionnews.com/2018 ... udy-shows/

1smartdodog wrote:I wonder how the President of the church ranks for wealthiest person in the world. The church being a corporation sole and all, I believe this let’s him legally control all the assets of the church, in theory at least.

And he (like his predecessors) plays the part of rich old white dude to a tee.

I also have only one kid left under 8 and have contemplated what I'm going to do and what the fallout will be. It is tempting to just go through the motions to appease everyone. Yeeeeep, I have two under the age of 8 and this is going to be super hard. I think my bishop will let me do the baptism ...

This makes me wonder: don't we have knowledge of 2nd annointings done in the Nauvoo temple? Do we have records of who received them? I'm guessing Joseph Smith died before he received them but it would be interesting to know if he did, or if it is recorded. It sounded like some people upthread ...

"I have no use for your kings." Hellllllllllll yeeeeeeeah! The whole post is fantastic but this is beautiful. We are going to talk about agency, we're going to talk about equality, we're going to talk about God being no respecter of persons, but then we're going to have literal kings in a literal ...

Yep, this was exactly my experience. Spending all that time looking for a clear answer (here I was in freshman year of BYU, believing I had kinda already had my witness, but doing this as part of Todd Parker's BoM class, and a little worried about going on a mission). Living my whole life trying to ...

Even (most of) the satanists know that's not good enough by itself!

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You HAVE to go listen to the Tom Phillips interview with JD where he tells his experience. It's super long but worth it.

Return and Report!

Just downloaded the... Five episodes?! I'll let you know how it goes.

If you listen carefully there is a hint about it in the temple endowment about how you are currently anointed "only to become such," but the day may come when you will be called up and anointed with the whole enchilada. I always thought that was supposed to happen in the afterlife, but I guess it ...